Susan,
For an issue as important as this, to progress I suggest that you attempt to have organized groups discuss the issue so that the pros and cons can become part of the public dialogue.
Then some of the concerns can be addressed in the current governance structure now. Following that the people can weigh the remaining issues and advocate with correct information.
ALOHA,
Senator XXX
Tuesday, December 20, 2005
Wednesday, December 14, 2005
Susan McGeachy responds to Senator XXX
Aloha Senator,
We are working with a group that has been under way for many years. The public sentiment has not been there in the past, but Kona has dramatically changed over the past 10 years. The public is ready to get involved and take action.
The county council doesn’t want us to split the island because we are the majority of the revenue for this island.
The cost to implement would be another Mayor. The other services (Police, fire, water,) are already in place. The cost from Hilo budget would be transferred to the Kona budget. The cost currently is far more to Kona due to the incredible mismanagement of our county’s resources. We just had the east Hawaii councilmen take a trip to China on the tax payer’s dollar. The trash from Hilo is being trucked to Kona for dumping. We are still trying to pull out from the law suit against the Police Department for unfair hiring practices. We are pending a law suit with Hokulia for more then the county’s entire budget. We won’t need to worry about how much more it will cost when we don’t have a dime to pay after all of our law suits. Then the State is going have to step in and pay for this mess just to keep us afloat.
What would be helped? All of the children, seniors and citizens of West Hawaii (Hawi to Kau). We would be able to have the wonderful programs they offer in Hilo. We would be able to have roads, we would be able to go to county council meetings and give our input. Our taxes would be used to benefit the people that pay them.
What would be hurt? Hilo. They have enjoyed the fruits of our TAT and property taxes to do all the roads and parks in Hilo. They have great programs for the kids and seniors.
We are due to have a Mayor from Kona and more councilmen from this side of the island. That is the next huge push. We will be out in force with the next election.
#1 on the Hawaii Bill of Rights:
1. All political power of this State is inherent in the people; and the responsibility for the exercise thereof rests with the people. All government is founded on this authority.
Those elected officials that are not working toward a better Hawaii will not be voted in again. We need to clean house. We need to advise the public on all of the islands to stand up and take action.
We do have financial backers and can take the time needed to peruse this goal.
Thank you for your letter and please do respond.
Susan McGeachy
We are working with a group that has been under way for many years. The public sentiment has not been there in the past, but Kona has dramatically changed over the past 10 years. The public is ready to get involved and take action.
The county council doesn’t want us to split the island because we are the majority of the revenue for this island.
The cost to implement would be another Mayor. The other services (Police, fire, water,) are already in place. The cost from Hilo budget would be transferred to the Kona budget. The cost currently is far more to Kona due to the incredible mismanagement of our county’s resources. We just had the east Hawaii councilmen take a trip to China on the tax payer’s dollar. The trash from Hilo is being trucked to Kona for dumping. We are still trying to pull out from the law suit against the Police Department for unfair hiring practices. We are pending a law suit with Hokulia for more then the county’s entire budget. We won’t need to worry about how much more it will cost when we don’t have a dime to pay after all of our law suits. Then the State is going have to step in and pay for this mess just to keep us afloat.
What would be helped? All of the children, seniors and citizens of West Hawaii (Hawi to Kau). We would be able to have the wonderful programs they offer in Hilo. We would be able to have roads, we would be able to go to county council meetings and give our input. Our taxes would be used to benefit the people that pay them.
What would be hurt? Hilo. They have enjoyed the fruits of our TAT and property taxes to do all the roads and parks in Hilo. They have great programs for the kids and seniors.
We are due to have a Mayor from Kona and more councilmen from this side of the island. That is the next huge push. We will be out in force with the next election.
#1 on the Hawaii Bill of Rights:
1. All political power of this State is inherent in the people; and the responsibility for the exercise thereof rests with the people. All government is founded on this authority.
Those elected officials that are not working toward a better Hawaii will not be voted in again. We need to clean house. We need to advise the public on all of the islands to stand up and take action.
We do have financial backers and can take the time needed to peruse this goal.
Thank you for your letter and please do respond.
Susan McGeachy
Senator that wants to be confidential
Susan,
I have a couple of questions for you:
How far have you examined this proposal?
What are the costs to implement?
What would be helped?
What would be hurt?
Thank you for your thoughts.
ALOHA,
Senator xxx
I have a couple of questions for you:
How far have you examined this proposal?
What are the costs to implement?
What would be helped?
What would be hurt?
Thank you for your thoughts.
ALOHA,
Senator xxx
Monday, December 12, 2005
Jonathan Gaines
Three slices of pie
Splitting the island into Hilo/Kona counties is a recurring theme of residents seeking to re-balance the planning and growth issues of Hawaii Island as well as allocation of the tax revenue disbursements. This idea of splitting the island into two halves seems to chill rather than warm the cockles of our community hearts, as it seems to be divisive rather than uniting.
However, it is evident that the current one-island county system is rather unworkable and the cause of much islandwide dissatisfaction.
Perhaps this island might function efficiently if, politically, it consisted of three counties -- Hilo, Kona and Kohala.
In Kohala, we have, it seems, so little in common with either Kona or Hilo, and vice versa! More to the point, Kohala is largely a world unto itself as far as the residents are concerned. This is where our families, friends and business associates mostly are.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2005/12/11/opinion/your_views/letters.txt
Rarely do we drive to Hilo, much less Keaau and Pahala. Same with driving to Kona, Captain Cook and Oceanview. Except for the "big box"
shopping and multiplex movie theaters, why go? Especially now, as gas cost is ever rising, limiting much travel. We like our Waimea, Hawi-Kappau, Honoka'a, Waikoloa towns and our "Gold Coast" white sand beaches, all reachable in about a 30-40 minute drive or less.
How to slice the pie? In the fashion of the old ahupua'a, find the geographical midpoint (near the Saddle Road) and draw three lines. Then each new county can elect its own leaders, raises its own taxes, administer its schools, etc. Equally important, each county would have to devise its own planning and land use commission, disposes of its own trash, etc.
How to eat the pie? That's easy. Hilo eats Hilo slice, Kona eats Kona slice, and, (sigh of relief) Kohala eats Kohala slice!
Furthermore, as is common on the mainland, "townships" could be created to give voice at the natural centers of the new counties. As such, the people of the various township-centered communities would be electing council representatives who they know as close friends and neighbors. In some areas, three counties can collaborate as one, such as for free islandwide bus service.
Perhaps this will be food for thought and discussion.
Jonathan Gaines
Hawi
Splitting the island into Hilo/Kona counties is a recurring theme of residents seeking to re-balance the planning and growth issues of Hawaii Island as well as allocation of the tax revenue disbursements. This idea of splitting the island into two halves seems to chill rather than warm the cockles of our community hearts, as it seems to be divisive rather than uniting.
However, it is evident that the current one-island county system is rather unworkable and the cause of much islandwide dissatisfaction.
Perhaps this island might function efficiently if, politically, it consisted of three counties -- Hilo, Kona and Kohala.
In Kohala, we have, it seems, so little in common with either Kona or Hilo, and vice versa! More to the point, Kohala is largely a world unto itself as far as the residents are concerned. This is where our families, friends and business associates mostly are.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2005/12/11/opinion/your_views/letters.txt
Rarely do we drive to Hilo, much less Keaau and Pahala. Same with driving to Kona, Captain Cook and Oceanview. Except for the "big box"
shopping and multiplex movie theaters, why go? Especially now, as gas cost is ever rising, limiting much travel. We like our Waimea, Hawi-Kappau, Honoka'a, Waikoloa towns and our "Gold Coast" white sand beaches, all reachable in about a 30-40 minute drive or less.
How to slice the pie? In the fashion of the old ahupua'a, find the geographical midpoint (near the Saddle Road) and draw three lines. Then each new county can elect its own leaders, raises its own taxes, administer its schools, etc. Equally important, each county would have to devise its own planning and land use commission, disposes of its own trash, etc.
How to eat the pie? That's easy. Hilo eats Hilo slice, Kona eats Kona slice, and, (sigh of relief) Kohala eats Kohala slice!
Furthermore, as is common on the mainland, "townships" could be created to give voice at the natural centers of the new counties. As such, the people of the various township-centered communities would be electing council representatives who they know as close friends and neighbors. In some areas, three counties can collaborate as one, such as for free islandwide bus service.
Perhaps this will be food for thought and discussion.
Jonathan Gaines
Hawi
Saturday, December 10, 2005
Frank Wandell
Dear Susan:
I thank you for bringing up this very touchy (especially for the Democrats) , but long over due subject. Kona could be the poster child for government neglect and abuse.
The letters and responses on the blog from the politicians are disgusting. Their tired old mantra that it would cost too much is a bogus argument.
The only duplication of costs would be for a Mayor and we certainly could afford one if we were able to prevent some of our tax dollars from being siphoned off and squandered in Hilo. ( Have you ever noticed that all projects in Hilo cost an estimated million dollars or more?) Of course, this includes "planning costs" (read political payback and graft)
At one time I spoke at length to former representative Jim Wrath and he said that in the early days of Statehood or perhaps it was when we were still a territory there was a precedent of the Big Island being split into two judicial districts and this split could set a precedent for a new county division.
You may want to contact him for more insight into this situation.
His number is 937-4171, I believe.
(Jim is very outspoken and was ousted because he was a major threat to the Old Boy Democrats.)
In confidence, I attended several meetings of the former West Hawaii Committee and found them to be far less than focused nor effective. Somehow they could not stick to the subject of two counties and kept going off on tangents like the Jones act. This is why I never joined their group, as I was invited.
In my opinion, two Counties are a must for the West side in order to get any of our many problems solved. Development is not the problem, political neglect is the true cause of 99.9% of the ills messing up our quality of life along the Kona Coast. Unfortunately the Hilo politicos use every excuse they can to cloud and dodge the issues.
In spite of what "they" say, the time for two counties has come
and with the right marketing and management it can be done.
Are you thinking of forming a new PAC? A duly registered political action committee may be what it takes to focus the effort and raise the funds to shake the trees.Consistent paid marketing will both educate and raise funds to further the cause. Most Kona businesses would probably contribute to be on a advisory board of a well planned organization.
Grassroots petitions are a big part of swaying the Honolulu politicos. A few weekend at major gathering spots would probably tell the story on how receptive the general public would be.
While I must keep a low profile I would be happy to give you as much input and moral support as possible.
Sincerely
Frank Wandell
I thank you for bringing up this very touchy (especially for the Democrats) , but long over due subject. Kona could be the poster child for government neglect and abuse.
The letters and responses on the blog from the politicians are disgusting. Their tired old mantra that it would cost too much is a bogus argument.
The only duplication of costs would be for a Mayor and we certainly could afford one if we were able to prevent some of our tax dollars from being siphoned off and squandered in Hilo. ( Have you ever noticed that all projects in Hilo cost an estimated million dollars or more?) Of course, this includes "planning costs" (read political payback and graft)
At one time I spoke at length to former representative Jim Wrath and he said that in the early days of Statehood or perhaps it was when we were still a territory there was a precedent of the Big Island being split into two judicial districts and this split could set a precedent for a new county division.
You may want to contact him for more insight into this situation.
His number is 937-4171, I believe.
(Jim is very outspoken and was ousted because he was a major threat to the Old Boy Democrats.)
In confidence, I attended several meetings of the former West Hawaii Committee and found them to be far less than focused nor effective. Somehow they could not stick to the subject of two counties and kept going off on tangents like the Jones act. This is why I never joined their group, as I was invited.
In my opinion, two Counties are a must for the West side in order to get any of our many problems solved. Development is not the problem, political neglect is the true cause of 99.9% of the ills messing up our quality of life along the Kona Coast. Unfortunately the Hilo politicos use every excuse they can to cloud and dodge the issues.
In spite of what "they" say, the time for two counties has come
and with the right marketing and management it can be done.
Are you thinking of forming a new PAC? A duly registered political action committee may be what it takes to focus the effort and raise the funds to shake the trees.Consistent paid marketing will both educate and raise funds to further the cause. Most Kona businesses would probably contribute to be on a advisory board of a well planned organization.
Grassroots petitions are a big part of swaying the Honolulu politicos. A few weekend at major gathering spots would probably tell the story on how receptive the general public would be.
While I must keep a low profile I would be happy to give you as much input and moral support as possible.
Sincerely
Frank Wandell
VISBELL@co.hawaii.hi.us
Susan, There has not been a Con-Con since 1978.
If the Legislature were to pass a bill creating county separation for any island or island group, i.e., Maui, Moloka'i and Lana'i, it will require a Constitutional Amendment as well.
There are numerous pros and cons but would be happy to discuss them with you at your pleasure. Virginia
If the Legislature were to pass a bill creating county separation for any island or island group, i.e., Maui, Moloka'i and Lana'i, it will require a Constitutional Amendment as well.
There are numerous pros and cons but would be happy to discuss them with you at your pleasure. Virginia
Friday, December 09, 2005
Susan McGeachy asks Legislators
Dear All Oahu Legislators,
If the question was brought up today!
Is it possible for the Senate and House to vote for a second county on the Big Island?
What would be your pros and cons?
Please assist us so we know exactly how it works.
Another question is: When is the next constitutional convention (con-con) scheduled? The last con-con was in 1978. Does that mean 2008?
I appreciate everyone’s honesty. Hawaii is the last frontier and we need to grow it wisely.
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Once again Thank You for your guidance.
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
Kailua-Kona resident and tax payer since 1988
If the question was brought up today!
Is it possible for the Senate and House to vote for a second county on the Big Island?
What would be your pros and cons?
Please assist us so we know exactly how it works.
Another question is: When is the next constitutional convention (con-con) scheduled? The last con-con was in 1978. Does that mean 2008?
I appreciate everyone’s honesty. Hawaii is the last frontier and we need to grow it wisely.
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Once again Thank You for your guidance.
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
Kailua-Kona resident and tax payer since 1988
Marshall Blann Responds
Aloha Susan,
You are preaching to the choir. But we need to operate in the real world, which in this case is the world of Alice in Hiloland,aka the state of Hawaii. Now a dose of reality:
The legislature is controlled in numbers by the Democratic reps of Honolulu.
Most of them
own hotels on Oahu, have families owning them, or friends- or so I have been told by a local poli-sci prof. They do not want clean restrooms, or good anything on the outer islands, because they want the tourists to stay on Oahu and patronize family and friends. I think that you are trying to apply logic to the situation, but in reality the issues are much more convoluted- and unless we understand all the leitmotifs we may be spinning our wheels.
The Oahu reps control the state budget and politics. They do not want city incorporation, lest Oahu fragment and they will LOSE POWER. So they cannot allow it elsewhere.
And county government does not exist for the great ideals you state- and with which I agree 100%, but to provide lifetime county jobs to friends and family of the Hilo pols, while establishing a county tax code which will maximixe west Hi. and part time resident taxes and minimize Hilo taxes. Nothing is perfect, but our county govt is as nearly perfectly corrupt as is possible, even including Bush's America. Your points are well taken and logical- but that is not the basis of the county gov't. You can demand change- Mr. Arakaki will have a good laugh.
Do the people stand a chance? I hope that your actions will stir debate; I've been trying for several years and conclude that there are many out there willing to complain, scarce few willing to go beyond that point. My guess is that the state is too hard to move. Our best chance- if we could organize enough citizens willing to work- is to try to get 5 or
6 councilmembers
elected who would support our goals. This would allow many of the reforms you suggest; 6 votes can put charter changes on the ballot- which as I suggested earlier might allow some power to be shifted from Hilo to cantons on the island- with budgets. But premature to expand on that.
Anyway, I hope that you can start a movement, and will start by putting out all the realities of the problem (government) and then make a list of possible changes ranked not by desireability, but by doability- as a starting point. In any case, many thanks for trying, more power to you!
best wishes,Marshall
You are preaching to the choir. But we need to operate in the real world, which in this case is the world of Alice in Hiloland,aka the state of Hawaii. Now a dose of reality:
The legislature is controlled in numbers by the Democratic reps of Honolulu.
Most of them
own hotels on Oahu, have families owning them, or friends- or so I have been told by a local poli-sci prof. They do not want clean restrooms, or good anything on the outer islands, because they want the tourists to stay on Oahu and patronize family and friends. I think that you are trying to apply logic to the situation, but in reality the issues are much more convoluted- and unless we understand all the leitmotifs we may be spinning our wheels.
The Oahu reps control the state budget and politics. They do not want city incorporation, lest Oahu fragment and they will LOSE POWER. So they cannot allow it elsewhere.
And county government does not exist for the great ideals you state- and with which I agree 100%, but to provide lifetime county jobs to friends and family of the Hilo pols, while establishing a county tax code which will maximixe west Hi. and part time resident taxes and minimize Hilo taxes. Nothing is perfect, but our county govt is as nearly perfectly corrupt as is possible, even including Bush's America. Your points are well taken and logical- but that is not the basis of the county gov't. You can demand change- Mr. Arakaki will have a good laugh.
Do the people stand a chance? I hope that your actions will stir debate; I've been trying for several years and conclude that there are many out there willing to complain, scarce few willing to go beyond that point. My guess is that the state is too hard to move. Our best chance- if we could organize enough citizens willing to work- is to try to get 5 or
6 councilmembers
elected who would support our goals. This would allow many of the reforms you suggest; 6 votes can put charter changes on the ballot- which as I suggested earlier might allow some power to be shifted from Hilo to cantons on the island- with budgets. But premature to expand on that.
Anyway, I hope that you can start a movement, and will start by putting out all the realities of the problem (government) and then make a list of possible changes ranked not by desireability, but by doability- as a starting point. In any case, many thanks for trying, more power to you!
best wishes,Marshall
Thursday, December 08, 2005
Rev. Dennis Shields
Aloha Susan
I saw your editor letter and I have been a long time supporter of separate counties or municipalities.
However I am writing in support of the tide which raises all boats
Please view
http://hawaiihydrogen.net
I show a way to become energy self sufficient while raising 75 million a year in perpetuity for beautification of Hawaii Island.
As this is a new site I am asking folks if they can indeed open it to please let me know, as it takes a while to 'propagate' it. please let me know if you can or can not open this
Consider this as a exercise in gaining access to change via initiative, tho separate from the division of the county quest, it might parallel the methods necessary to create grass roots activism.
In that spirit, would you be interested in becoming a member of the initiative committee and helping Hawaii Island to become energy independent
[I suppose the initiative language needs to support the potential division of the county so feel free to comment]
Mahalo for your consideration.
Aloha
Rev. Dennis Shields
I saw your editor letter and I have been a long time supporter of separate counties or municipalities.
However I am writing in support of the tide which raises all boats
Please view
http://hawaiihydrogen.net
I show a way to become energy self sufficient while raising 75 million a year in perpetuity for beautification of Hawaii Island.
As this is a new site I am asking folks if they can indeed open it to please let me know, as it takes a while to 'propagate' it. please let me know if you can or can not open this
Consider this as a exercise in gaining access to change via initiative, tho separate from the division of the county quest, it might parallel the methods necessary to create grass roots activism.
In that spirit, would you be interested in becoming a member of the initiative committee and helping Hawaii Island to become energy independent
[I suppose the initiative language needs to support the potential division of the county so feel free to comment]
Mahalo for your consideration.
Aloha
Rev. Dennis Shields
Susan McGeachy responds to Marshall Blann
Dear Marshall,
You are correct. It is not how cheaply it can be done but the organization of it. It must start with a revamp on the entire government. Each department must have specific jobs descriptions with regular reviews on performance. With three counseling's you are out the door. Hiring should be legal with exact same written questions; the most qualified applicant gets the job. The nepotism must stop. Standards need to be set and maintained. We need to cut the semi autonomous organizations. Either you are the County or NOT. The Department heads are not in stone, they need to be reviewed too.
As for the Oahu legislation and Senate not wanting a West Hawaii County is beyond me. There are so many bonuses to Kona getting organized and improving their tourist cash cow. Who wants to come to Kona with the conditions our beaches and roads are in? Here are the tourists spending thousands of dollars to come to Kona on their dream vacation or honeymoon; and the public restrooms are mess. They are all under construction or falling down and the showers are turn off or broken. The tourist board advertises "Come to HAWAII". It is embarrassing how we compare as a tourist destination.
I would think Oahu would want to raise the State's standards and make Hawaii a place people want to vacation more then once. It's not about us or them. The taxes collected here really benefit the state too. It is about putting the money where it is needed. Hilo doesn't have the tourist base. Their TAT (transit accommodations tax) doesn't compare to Kona. Even United Airlines doesn't have enough business to fly into Hilo. We need to give Kona a face lift.
We have to fix each department one by one. Stop hauling garbage by the truck loads from Hilo to Kona. Hilo has huge holes they can dump their own trash in. The cost of the trucks, fuel, workers and the danger to the other vehicles on the road is totally unnecessary. That kind of thinking is why we need a separate county. We need government that is within our reach. I find driving two hours each way to a county council meeting is outrageous. No wonder we have such a mess to deal with.
We need a planning department with some foresight. All subdivions should be required to connect roads and open them prior to receiving a final finish permit.
If they say all Agriculture Land must have agriculture then so be it across the board. Not from the middle of the project and leave people who have building permits already in process to be stuck with unbuildable land. We need consistency. Not favoritism. Agriculture land covers a huge amount of subdivisions and many don't have any agricultural activity on them. The county council needs to all be together on the same page at the same time in order to make effect changes. Fighting should not be tolerated.
We need to open up ohana permits again. The people are still creating Ohana's to help them make their payments, but are the taxes being collected on them?
When we finally got the new pool in Kona I brought up charging .25 per person per day. This revenue would help to support the pool's up keep. I was told that is a crazy idea. No way.
We need to think smart and create smart. Keep the environment natural and grow it wisely.
If we don't have a radical change we will be stuck in the clog of the same wheel year after year.
Thanks for responding.
Susan McGeachy
You are correct. It is not how cheaply it can be done but the organization of it. It must start with a revamp on the entire government. Each department must have specific jobs descriptions with regular reviews on performance. With three counseling's you are out the door. Hiring should be legal with exact same written questions; the most qualified applicant gets the job. The nepotism must stop. Standards need to be set and maintained. We need to cut the semi autonomous organizations. Either you are the County or NOT. The Department heads are not in stone, they need to be reviewed too.
As for the Oahu legislation and Senate not wanting a West Hawaii County is beyond me. There are so many bonuses to Kona getting organized and improving their tourist cash cow. Who wants to come to Kona with the conditions our beaches and roads are in? Here are the tourists spending thousands of dollars to come to Kona on their dream vacation or honeymoon; and the public restrooms are mess. They are all under construction or falling down and the showers are turn off or broken. The tourist board advertises "Come to HAWAII". It is embarrassing how we compare as a tourist destination.
I would think Oahu would want to raise the State's standards and make Hawaii a place people want to vacation more then once. It's not about us or them. The taxes collected here really benefit the state too. It is about putting the money where it is needed. Hilo doesn't have the tourist base. Their TAT (transit accommodations tax) doesn't compare to Kona. Even United Airlines doesn't have enough business to fly into Hilo. We need to give Kona a face lift.
We have to fix each department one by one. Stop hauling garbage by the truck loads from Hilo to Kona. Hilo has huge holes they can dump their own trash in. The cost of the trucks, fuel, workers and the danger to the other vehicles on the road is totally unnecessary. That kind of thinking is why we need a separate county. We need government that is within our reach. I find driving two hours each way to a county council meeting is outrageous. No wonder we have such a mess to deal with.
We need a planning department with some foresight. All subdivions should be required to connect roads and open them prior to receiving a final finish permit.
If they say all Agriculture Land must have agriculture then so be it across the board. Not from the middle of the project and leave people who have building permits already in process to be stuck with unbuildable land. We need consistency. Not favoritism. Agriculture land covers a huge amount of subdivisions and many don't have any agricultural activity on them. The county council needs to all be together on the same page at the same time in order to make effect changes. Fighting should not be tolerated.
We need to open up ohana permits again. The people are still creating Ohana's to help them make their payments, but are the taxes being collected on them?
When we finally got the new pool in Kona I brought up charging .25 per person per day. This revenue would help to support the pool's up keep. I was told that is a crazy idea. No way.
We need to think smart and create smart. Keep the environment natural and grow it wisely.
If we don't have a radical change we will be stuck in the clog of the same wheel year after year.
Thanks for responding.
Susan McGeachy
Marshall Blann
The idea is not how cheaply one can govern, but how well.
The costs of division, if any, are not really relevant. Relevant is : will more effective government result.
I wonder if the county could not set up districts, each receiving part of their property taxes, with large measures of self government via charter amendment. Since this would not formally involve declaration of cities or other subdivisions, but would be a part of county government, this might be doable. Then by incrementally shifting revenues to these county organizational subdivisions, the present county government becomes redundent/ impotent. There may be enough sentiment of all the island less Hilo to do this- so it might be possible without fighting the state.
Marshall Blann
The costs of division, if any, are not really relevant. Relevant is : will more effective government result.
I wonder if the county could not set up districts, each receiving part of their property taxes, with large measures of self government via charter amendment. Since this would not formally involve declaration of cities or other subdivisions, but would be a part of county government, this might be doable. Then by incrementally shifting revenues to these county organizational subdivisions, the present county government becomes redundent/ impotent. There may be enough sentiment of all the island less Hilo to do this- so it might be possible without fighting the state.
Marshall Blann
Henry scroggin
aloha susan nice article-Don"t stress too much about our corruption from hilo. Until kona has a larger population than hilo they will always win and you are wishful thinking for a separate county. Hilo has honolulu democrats backing them too. It's like linda lingle-the people voted her in to do the things she wanted to but all the democrats aroung here refused to let anything go through but unemployment is 2.5% so the democrats are dead in the water and have no candidate to run. Harry kim might do well just because he is a good ole boy and has successfully funnelled most of konas money to hilo. This is exactly the kind of corruption the honolulu democrats would want for the state but hopefully he wont run. Honolulu doesn't care at all that harry gave no money to kona--It is a plus and shows character...Susan the closer to kona you live the better cause it will take years to make 4 lane highways as long as we have no mayor.Henry scroggin
Tuesday, December 06, 2005
Wayne Carter
Susan,
I will be happy to attend your meeting. As I'm sure you realize, the democrats who run the senate and legislature in Honolulu will never relinquish their power and influence over the west side because we send them and our county reps too much money. They don't really care about us. It's all about the money and power and they control both. Remember the "golden rule" - he who has the gold will rule! They control our fate and it would take their vote to make the changes to the Hawaii constitution. They've been in power for over 30 years and they are not about to give any up. Our county reps don't have the guts to do anything about it or try to influence their democrat "parents" in Honolulu. Until we get a true 2 party system in Hawaii, we are at their mercy. To make changes must be made at the ballot box. Unfortunately, the citizens of our state who voted Linda Lingle in as governor dropped the ball when they didn't follow it up when voting for senate and legislature seats.
How ignorant was that?
I wish you much luck. Truth is, you are going to need it. Let us know when your meeting is scheduled.
Mahalo & Aloha from Paradise,
Wayne Carter
I will be happy to attend your meeting. As I'm sure you realize, the democrats who run the senate and legislature in Honolulu will never relinquish their power and influence over the west side because we send them and our county reps too much money. They don't really care about us. It's all about the money and power and they control both. Remember the "golden rule" - he who has the gold will rule! They control our fate and it would take their vote to make the changes to the Hawaii constitution. They've been in power for over 30 years and they are not about to give any up. Our county reps don't have the guts to do anything about it or try to influence their democrat "parents" in Honolulu. Until we get a true 2 party system in Hawaii, we are at their mercy. To make changes must be made at the ballot box. Unfortunately, the citizens of our state who voted Linda Lingle in as governor dropped the ball when they didn't follow it up when voting for senate and legislature seats.
How ignorant was that?
I wish you much luck. Truth is, you are going to need it. Let us know when your meeting is scheduled.
Mahalo & Aloha from Paradise,
Wayne Carter
Monday, December 05, 2005
Susan McGeachy responds to Gerald Langes WHT
Splitting the County!
I am responding to Gerald Lange's letter on splitting the county.
I believe timing is everything. In the mid 90's we weren't ready for another county. We didn't have all of the anchor stores and construction growth. We didn't have cruise ships dropping anchor. We were driving to Hilo to shop and spend money.
The jobs are now in West Hawaii and so is the population. Now we are sitting in traffic all the time and wondering maybe it is time for a new county. Two main roads for 60,000 people isn't right somehow. Maybe we need to get serious and take action.
I met with Mr. Lange today to review where they left off. A study needs to be done to see the exact cost of breaking away and maintaining our current services.
In January I would like to host a meeting at the Old Airport Pavilion and open the discussion up to the public. If you live between Hawi and Kau then you will be directly impacted by showing up and becoming involved.
"We the People" is our constitution. Where are your taxes going?
We need to work together as a team. This will never happen if you read this and do nothing. We need the whole population to step up on this one.
http://www.hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
You can read your elected official's comments and add your own. This is a place to share your ideas. Surprise yourself and get involved.
Susan McGeachy
Tax Payer since 1988
I am responding to Gerald Lange's letter on splitting the county.
I believe timing is everything. In the mid 90's we weren't ready for another county. We didn't have all of the anchor stores and construction growth. We didn't have cruise ships dropping anchor. We were driving to Hilo to shop and spend money.
The jobs are now in West Hawaii and so is the population. Now we are sitting in traffic all the time and wondering maybe it is time for a new county. Two main roads for 60,000 people isn't right somehow. Maybe we need to get serious and take action.
I met with Mr. Lange today to review where they left off. A study needs to be done to see the exact cost of breaking away and maintaining our current services.
In January I would like to host a meeting at the Old Airport Pavilion and open the discussion up to the public. If you live between Hawi and Kau then you will be directly impacted by showing up and becoming involved.
"We the People" is our constitution. Where are your taxes going?
We need to work together as a team. This will never happen if you read this and do nothing. We need the whole population to step up on this one.
http://www.hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
You can read your elected official's comments and add your own. This is a place to share your ideas. Surprise yourself and get involved.
Susan McGeachy
Tax Payer since 1988
Gerald Lange letter West Hawaii Today
Separate county
>
>
> Oahu blocks the idea
>
> This is in response to Eric Greenhutt's letter about splitting the county .
>
> He wasn't around when in the mid '90's, a group called "West Hawaii
> Committee" tried to have the island split.
>
> I have 50 bumper-stickers that read "Citizen of West Hawaii County."
> Even with the two lawyers we had, we had we couldn't get any where.
>
> The group consisted of Red Johnson, Jerry Lange, Charles Hosley, Mark
> Jernigan, Walt Decker, Frank Jung, Susan Evans, Don McIntosh, Jim
> Rath, Curtis Tyler and Paul Wahlen. With all that power we didn't get anywhere.
>
> Ohau was afraid if we did, then Kailua on Oahu would split and they
> would loose their "cash cow."
>
> We even tried to get rid of the "Jones Act."
>
> Daniel Inouye said in writing that the Jones Act preserved Hawaii's
> Merchant Marine. We all know that's all "Barbara Streisand."
>
> Ed Case told me the "Jones Act" was too heavily lobbied to remain.
>
> If you think Harry Kim is in the wrong, you should have been here with
> Gov. Yamashiro.
>
> Incidentally, our two lawyers were "pro-bono."
>
> Gerald Lange
>
> Kailua-Kona
>
>
> Oahu blocks the idea
>
> This is in response to Eric Greenhutt's letter about splitting the county .
>
> He wasn't around when in the mid '90's, a group called "West Hawaii
> Committee" tried to have the island split.
>
> I have 50 bumper-stickers that read "Citizen of West Hawaii County."
> Even with the two lawyers we had, we had we couldn't get any where.
>
> The group consisted of Red Johnson, Jerry Lange, Charles Hosley, Mark
> Jernigan, Walt Decker, Frank Jung, Susan Evans, Don McIntosh, Jim
> Rath, Curtis Tyler and Paul Wahlen. With all that power we didn't get anywhere.
>
> Ohau was afraid if we did, then Kailua on Oahu would split and they
> would loose their "cash cow."
>
> We even tried to get rid of the "Jones Act."
>
> Daniel Inouye said in writing that the Jones Act preserved Hawaii's
> Merchant Marine. We all know that's all "Barbara Streisand."
>
> Ed Case told me the "Jones Act" was too heavily lobbied to remain.
>
> If you think Harry Kim is in the wrong, you should have been here with
> Gov. Yamashiro.
>
> Incidentally, our two lawyers were "pro-bono."
>
> Gerald Lange
>
> Kailua-Kona
Thursday, December 01, 2005
Rep. Virginia Isbell responds
Susan, To add a bit of information to your e-mail:
Yes, the State Constitution allows political subdivisions; however, adding a county will require a Constitutional Amendment since each county is listed in the Constitution. There are several communities that want to be separate, listed below, so we are not alone.
As for political subdivisions: While I was in the legislature I introduced a bill for "enabling" legislation to allow political subdivisions, i.e., cities, towns and villages, to be incorporated as political entities. Although the bill was heard, the opposition was on Oahu (where all the votes are since the highest population in the state is there) even though we had support from Laie, Kailua-Oahu, and Kaneohe.
The only "city" in Hawaii is Honolulu; the island of Oahu was designated as a city prior to statehood. The purpose was to call Oahu the "City and County of Honolulu" in order to qualify for federal Community Development Block Grant monies that are distributed based on population.
Virginia
Yes, the State Constitution allows political subdivisions; however, adding a county will require a Constitutional Amendment since each county is listed in the Constitution. There are several communities that want to be separate, listed below, so we are not alone.
As for political subdivisions: While I was in the legislature I introduced a bill for "enabling" legislation to allow political subdivisions, i.e., cities, towns and villages, to be incorporated as political entities. Although the bill was heard, the opposition was on Oahu (where all the votes are since the highest population in the state is there) even though we had support from Laie, Kailua-Oahu, and Kaneohe.
The only "city" in Hawaii is Honolulu; the island of Oahu was designated as a city prior to statehood. The purpose was to call Oahu the "City and County of Honolulu" in order to qualify for federal Community Development Block Grant monies that are distributed based on population.
Virginia
Rep. Cindy Evans responds
Aloha Rep. Cindy Evans,
Thank you very much for answering the blog http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
I will be happy to attend the meeting in my area. I would be happy to host a meeting at the large pavilion at the old airport.
I would like to know has anyone done a financial analysis to see the exact amount of money that is currently being spent to maintain
The island of Hawaii for the county operated services (police, fire, planning dept, dept. of public works, senior programs, parks and
recreation, etc…) for Kohala, Waimea, North Kona, Kona, South Kona, and Kau?
Many elected officials feel it is too much money to split the counties. Why is that? Aren’t we paying for these services now? How do all these people
Know it would cost more if there has never been a financial study or anything to substantiate these claims?
I agree we need a majority of the public to step forward and voice their concerns. It must be a grass roots cause by the people for the people.
If a second county is truly wanted and needed then it will take time, effort, and cost. Let’s see if the public is ready to make such a commitment.
Once again thank you for being one of the few representatives to step up to the plate and address this issue. You have my vote.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
cc: http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Thank you very much for answering the blog http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
I will be happy to attend the meeting in my area. I would be happy to host a meeting at the large pavilion at the old airport.
I would like to know has anyone done a financial analysis to see the exact amount of money that is currently being spent to maintain
The island of Hawaii for the county operated services (police, fire, planning dept, dept. of public works, senior programs, parks and
recreation, etc…) for Kohala, Waimea, North Kona, Kona, South Kona, and Kau?
Many elected officials feel it is too much money to split the counties. Why is that? Aren’t we paying for these services now? How do all these people
Know it would cost more if there has never been a financial study or anything to substantiate these claims?
I agree we need a majority of the public to step forward and voice their concerns. It must be a grass roots cause by the people for the people.
If a second county is truly wanted and needed then it will take time, effort, and cost. Let’s see if the public is ready to make such a commitment.
Once again thank you for being one of the few representatives to step up to the plate and address this issue. You have my vote.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
cc: http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Wednesday, November 30, 2005
Rep. Cyntiha Evans-Meetings
Kona Community Brainstorming Sessions
The Kona Community Development Plan (CDP) is the County of Hawaii?s pilot community development plan. The goal is to make this planning process an inclusive and community-based process.
To encourage community participation, Community Brainstorming Sessions are being held as an opportunity for residents to share their ideas about the future and how they can help to shape the future of Kona. The results of the sessions will be compiled and shared at the first of a series of community workshops to be held in early February 2006.
There will be several opportunities for the public to participate in the small group sessions. The community is encouraged to attend a session in their neighborhood or even host a meeting in their home.
Meetings are conducted by volunteer facilitators following a protocol which requires that no more than 12 people to attend each session. Meetings will be added as needed and anyone can host a meeting of their own. The following sites have offered to host sessions on the following dates:
Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2005 Christ Church Episcopal, Kealakekua
Thursday, Dec. 1, 2005 Mayor?s Conference Room Kailua-Kona
Monday, Dec. 5, 2005 Kona Hospital , Kealakekua
Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2005 Hualalai Academy Kailua-Kona
Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2005 Society for Kona Arts & Education (SKEA) Honaunau
Thursday, Dec. 8, 2005 Palisades Community Association Kailua-Kona
Saturday, Dec. 10, 2005 Neighborhood Place of Kona Kailua-Kona
Monday, Dec. 19, 2005 Palisades Community Association Kailua-Kona
Weekday sessions are from 6 -8 pm, Saturday sessions are from 3-5 pm. The community is encouraged to sign up and use this opportunity to share their thoughts. For further information and to reserve a space, please contact the Hawaii County Resource Center at 324-0400.
The Kona Community Development Plan (CDP) is the County of Hawaii?s pilot community development plan. The goal is to make this planning process an inclusive and community-based process.
To encourage community participation, Community Brainstorming Sessions are being held as an opportunity for residents to share their ideas about the future and how they can help to shape the future of Kona. The results of the sessions will be compiled and shared at the first of a series of community workshops to be held in early February 2006.
There will be several opportunities for the public to participate in the small group sessions. The community is encouraged to attend a session in their neighborhood or even host a meeting in their home.
Meetings are conducted by volunteer facilitators following a protocol which requires that no more than 12 people to attend each session. Meetings will be added as needed and anyone can host a meeting of their own. The following sites have offered to host sessions on the following dates:
Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2005 Christ Church Episcopal, Kealakekua
Thursday, Dec. 1, 2005 Mayor?s Conference Room Kailua-Kona
Monday, Dec. 5, 2005 Kona Hospital , Kealakekua
Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2005 Hualalai Academy Kailua-Kona
Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2005 Society for Kona Arts & Education (SKEA) Honaunau
Thursday, Dec. 8, 2005 Palisades Community Association Kailua-Kona
Saturday, Dec. 10, 2005 Neighborhood Place of Kona Kailua-Kona
Monday, Dec. 19, 2005 Palisades Community Association Kailua-Kona
Weekday sessions are from 6 -8 pm, Saturday sessions are from 3-5 pm. The community is encouraged to sign up and use this opportunity to share their thoughts. For further information and to reserve a space, please contact the Hawaii County Resource Center at 324-0400.
Rep. Cynthia Evans responds
Susan:
The reason Speaker Say suggested that you get support from the Counties is because it is highly unlikely that the Legislature would agree to pass a law creating a political subdivision for West Hawaii without a grassroots effort that supports this idea. You will have to demonstrate to the entire legislative body and the Governor that the entire Big Island wants it.
I wrote and introduced a bill two years ago to amend the constitution to move the authority of creation of political subdivisions from the state legislature and give it to the counties because I felt that this decision was closer to the people. The community could then get immersed in the details of creating another government and the costs associated with creating the adminstration necessary to deliver government services, such as, police, fire, planning department, public works department, senior programs, parks and recreation, etc., and how taxes would be affected by such a change. There was little support for the idea. I could not get legislators from other counties interested in this issue.
The timing does not seem right yet, but I do believe the time will come when we will create more policital subdivision so local communities can be empowered to create their vision and their future.
I do not want to discourage you. You need to build support for this one person at a time.
Sincerely yours,
Rep. Cindy Evans
The reason Speaker Say suggested that you get support from the Counties is because it is highly unlikely that the Legislature would agree to pass a law creating a political subdivision for West Hawaii without a grassroots effort that supports this idea. You will have to demonstrate to the entire legislative body and the Governor that the entire Big Island wants it.
I wrote and introduced a bill two years ago to amend the constitution to move the authority of creation of political subdivisions from the state legislature and give it to the counties because I felt that this decision was closer to the people. The community could then get immersed in the details of creating another government and the costs associated with creating the adminstration necessary to deliver government services, such as, police, fire, planning department, public works department, senior programs, parks and recreation, etc., and how taxes would be affected by such a change. There was little support for the idea. I could not get legislators from other counties interested in this issue.
The timing does not seem right yet, but I do believe the time will come when we will create more policital subdivision so local communities can be empowered to create their vision and their future.
I do not want to discourage you. You need to build support for this one person at a time.
Sincerely yours,
Rep. Cindy Evans
Response to Senator Daniel Akaka's letter
November 30, 2005
Dear Senator Daniel K. Akaka,
Thank you for responding to my letter. Unfortunetly our County Councilman (K. Angel Pilago) does not want to purse a separate county. He does not want to purse the cry of the public to start the proceedings to create a "West Hawaii County". We have no where else to voice our concerns.
Is there another method to bring this issue the citizens? Can the Island of Hawaii have this issue come to the voters?
The government on the Big Island of Hawaii is out of control. They are wasting the tax payer's money. Last month four East Hawaii Councilmen felt they needed a vacation to China; that was fully paid for by the tax payers. Everyday there are issues with this council. The mayor has failed to step in and stop the fighting and get down to the business at hand.
Our roads are falling apart and our population is growing by the day. Our tax revenues (property and TAT...taxes are sent to Hilo and we don't see an equitable return).
This is a call to the Government to step in and help the tax payers. Taxation without representation is wrong.
What can we do? http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
Dear Senator Daniel K. Akaka,
Thank you for responding to my letter. Unfortunetly our County Councilman (K. Angel Pilago) does not want to purse a separate county. He does not want to purse the cry of the public to start the proceedings to create a "West Hawaii County". We have no where else to voice our concerns.
Is there another method to bring this issue the citizens? Can the Island of Hawaii have this issue come to the voters?
The government on the Big Island of Hawaii is out of control. They are wasting the tax payer's money. Last month four East Hawaii Councilmen felt they needed a vacation to China; that was fully paid for by the tax payers. Everyday there are issues with this council. The mayor has failed to step in and stop the fighting and get down to the business at hand.
Our roads are falling apart and our population is growing by the day. Our tax revenues (property and TAT...taxes are sent to Hilo and we don't see an equitable return).
This is a call to the Government to step in and help the tax payers. Taxation without representation is wrong.
What can we do? http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
Senator Daniel K. Akaka's Letter
November 18, 2005
Dear Ms. McGeachy:
Thank you for contacting me regarding your support for creating "West Hawaii County." I noted your letter to Hawaii State Representative Calvin Say on this topic.
As you know, the Hawaii Constitution allows the Hawaii State Legislature to establish counties and political subdivision within Hawaii. As such, this matter falls within the purview of the State of Hawaii, and it has been my general practice not to intervene in matters within the sole jurisdiction of the State of Hawaii and the counties. I am pleased to see that you have contacted your Hawaii State Representatives regarding your support for establishing "West Hawaii County," and I hope you will continue to be active in the political causes that are important to you.
Once again, mahalo for contacting me.
Aloha pumehana,
DANIEL K. AKAKA
U. S. Senator
Dear Ms. McGeachy:
Thank you for contacting me regarding your support for creating "West Hawaii County." I noted your letter to Hawaii State Representative Calvin Say on this topic.
As you know, the Hawaii Constitution allows the Hawaii State Legislature to establish counties and political subdivision within Hawaii. As such, this matter falls within the purview of the State of Hawaii, and it has been my general practice not to intervene in matters within the sole jurisdiction of the State of Hawaii and the counties. I am pleased to see that you have contacted your Hawaii State Representatives regarding your support for establishing "West Hawaii County," and I hope you will continue to be active in the political causes that are important to you.
Once again, mahalo for contacting me.
Aloha pumehana,
DANIEL K. AKAKA
U. S. Senator
Sunday, November 27, 2005
Susan McGeachy [mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com]
Aloha Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am sorry we can not go any further with two counties for the Island of Hawaii.
Rep. Calvin Say (Speaker of the House) stated in his letter to contact our county council representative and “ask the council representative of your area to begin the process of review and public discussion.”
As you will see in our county councilmen’s letter (Angel Pilago “At this time I am not in favor of splitting the County. Demographics do not support it, our population density does not warrant it and we cannot afford it. I do not believe this is the right time to do it.”)
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Maybe we need to look real hard at the next election and pick the candidates that are concerned about our county and not about fighting and taking trips to China on the people’s tax dollars.
Kona is in a sad state of affairs and has NO HOPE without candidates that are willing to stand up for the people.
Thank you for your input and I look forward to some day having a council that is ALL ON THE SAME PAGE when it comes to growth and fairness.
Sadly,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
I am sorry we can not go any further with two counties for the Island of Hawaii.
Rep. Calvin Say (Speaker of the House) stated in his letter to contact our county council representative and “ask the council representative of your area to begin the process of review and public discussion.”
As you will see in our county councilmen’s letter (Angel Pilago “At this time I am not in favor of splitting the County. Demographics do not support it, our population density does not warrant it and we cannot afford it. I do not believe this is the right time to do it.”)
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Maybe we need to look real hard at the next election and pick the candidates that are concerned about our county and not about fighting and taking trips to China on the people’s tax dollars.
Kona is in a sad state of affairs and has NO HOPE without candidates that are willing to stand up for the people.
Thank you for your input and I look forward to some day having a council that is ALL ON THE SAME PAGE when it comes to growth and fairness.
Sadly,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
KAPILAGO@co.hawaii.hi.us
Aloha Susan,
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your query regarding dividing the County of Hawaii into two Counties. At this time I am not in favor of splitting the County. Demographics do not support it, our population density does not warrant it and we cannot afford it. I do not believe this is the right time to do it.
I would prefer to work to create one strong and healthy county; bridge our communities, and heal the rift between East and West Hawaii.
In the next 5 years we will see a shift in demographics, Kona will have a Civic Center and improved infrastructure. We will become a stronger voice in government. We can and should work to elect a Mayor from the West Side and require that certain planning issues be decided regionally.
I admire your enthusiasm and concern for improving services and attention to Kona and the west side of our island. I strongly urge you get involved in the Community Development Plan process currently underway for North and South Kona. The CDP will be adopted by ordinance and reflect the vision of those that contribute and participate. It carries the force of law and will be implemented as Kona grows. You can contact the Hawaii County Resource Center at 324-0400 for more information.
I am always open to ideas for improving our island community and I am watching and listening keenly to comments you have received regarding splitting the county. The discussions are enlightening and the information shared by our representatives as well as the general public are important.
Mahalo a nui loa,
Councilman K. Angel Pilago
District 8, North Kona
808-327-3642
www.angelcouncil.org
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your query regarding dividing the County of Hawaii into two Counties. At this time I am not in favor of splitting the County. Demographics do not support it, our population density does not warrant it and we cannot afford it. I do not believe this is the right time to do it.
I would prefer to work to create one strong and healthy county; bridge our communities, and heal the rift between East and West Hawaii.
In the next 5 years we will see a shift in demographics, Kona will have a Civic Center and improved infrastructure. We will become a stronger voice in government. We can and should work to elect a Mayor from the West Side and require that certain planning issues be decided regionally.
I admire your enthusiasm and concern for improving services and attention to Kona and the west side of our island. I strongly urge you get involved in the Community Development Plan process currently underway for North and South Kona. The CDP will be adopted by ordinance and reflect the vision of those that contribute and participate. It carries the force of law and will be implemented as Kona grows. You can contact the Hawaii County Resource Center at 324-0400 for more information.
I am always open to ideas for improving our island community and I am watching and listening keenly to comments you have received regarding splitting the county. The discussions are enlightening and the information shared by our representatives as well as the general public are important.
Mahalo a nui loa,
Councilman K. Angel Pilago
District 8, North Kona
808-327-3642
www.angelcouncil.org
Monday, November 14, 2005
Helene Hale [helenehale@mac.com]
Dear Ms. McGeachy,
You seem to be disillusioned about out government, which is too bad. As a Representative from District 4 I still have faith in it , although at times it does fail. Because our state developed from a monarchy, democracy has been slow to come. All other states developed from local government first then they became a state.
Because we are still a small state, there has been reluctance to move power from our centralized system to the local level. In 1978 the constitutional Convention did recognize that eventually, as we grew, we would have to give more power to local communities. I believe that we should, but first the state haas to adopt rules to make this happen, and therefore my bill did not pass.
I do not believe that we should have two counties on the Big Island.
It will be tremendously expensive and our geography dictates to us that we are one unit. Now that West Hawaii has more representation, it should help. If you don't like your district representative, there is always the next election.
Aloha,
Helene Hale
You seem to be disillusioned about out government, which is too bad. As a Representative from District 4 I still have faith in it , although at times it does fail. Because our state developed from a monarchy, democracy has been slow to come. All other states developed from local government first then they became a state.
Because we are still a small state, there has been reluctance to move power from our centralized system to the local level. In 1978 the constitutional Convention did recognize that eventually, as we grew, we would have to give more power to local communities. I believe that we should, but first the state haas to adopt rules to make this happen, and therefore my bill did not pass.
I do not believe that we should have two counties on the Big Island.
It will be tremendously expensive and our geography dictates to us that we are one unit. Now that West Hawaii has more representation, it should help. If you don't like your district representative, there is always the next election.
Aloha,
Helene Hale
Thursday, November 10, 2005
Response to:Rep. Helene Hale [rephale@capitol.hawaii.gov]
Aloha Rep. Helene Hale,
Thank you very much for your response. The bills you introduced for Home rule/ local how does it work?
Please read our plight in the http://westhawaiitoday.com today.
Years ago I got involved in the tot park at the old airport. We needed $70,000.00 for the completion of the park. I went to Hilo to see how do the parks work and is there any money for a tot park in Kona? I was told Kona already has parks and there is no money. I asked what parks does Kona have? He looked down and said here is one right here on Palani Road. I have lived here a long time and have no memory of a park on Palani Road. Come to find out it was the medium strip down the middle of Palani Road that was being considered a park. Right there I know I was dealing with someone so far removed from my area that he didn’t have a clue about my community.
Again I got involved in the Kona Coastview/ Wonderview water improvement district. I was told NO WAY. They tried it three times before over the past 30 years and it won’t go. The Government or homeowners won’t agree and do it. Today we have a 6 million dollar water system under construction. 2.5 million Was from Federal Grants that I found on line and by called Washington DC.
Progress can happen. It does take time. You are correct when you say Hawaii’s government history is different from the mainland. I believe the government is different every where you go. Montana (wild west) is totally different then New York. You can never compare apples and oranges. You can however take the best of every thing and incorporate it into a working system for the tax payers.
Are you aware of the taxes we pay?
The taxes for each county are as follows:
Per $1,000.00
Oahu: 3.75
Kauai: 4.30
Maui: 5.86
Hawaii: 9.10
What is wrong with this picture? We pay the highest taxes in the State and have nothing to show for it. Any government would be better then what we have now. Taxation without proper representation is happening and we have no say. If you are willing for drive 200 miles to a county council meeting and if they defer and defer a decision, then you just keep driving and showing up. It’s like living in Los Angeles and driving to San Diego for a town meeting.
Help us move forward for the future of West Hawaii.
Thank you again for your follow up.
Aloha,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Thank you very much for your response. The bills you introduced for Home rule/ local how does it work?
Please read our plight in the http://westhawaiitoday.com today.
Years ago I got involved in the tot park at the old airport. We needed $70,000.00 for the completion of the park. I went to Hilo to see how do the parks work and is there any money for a tot park in Kona? I was told Kona already has parks and there is no money. I asked what parks does Kona have? He looked down and said here is one right here on Palani Road. I have lived here a long time and have no memory of a park on Palani Road. Come to find out it was the medium strip down the middle of Palani Road that was being considered a park. Right there I know I was dealing with someone so far removed from my area that he didn’t have a clue about my community.
Again I got involved in the Kona Coastview/ Wonderview water improvement district. I was told NO WAY. They tried it three times before over the past 30 years and it won’t go. The Government or homeowners won’t agree and do it. Today we have a 6 million dollar water system under construction. 2.5 million Was from Federal Grants that I found on line and by called Washington DC.
Progress can happen. It does take time. You are correct when you say Hawaii’s government history is different from the mainland. I believe the government is different every where you go. Montana (wild west) is totally different then New York. You can never compare apples and oranges. You can however take the best of every thing and incorporate it into a working system for the tax payers.
Are you aware of the taxes we pay?
The taxes for each county are as follows:
Per $1,000.00
Oahu: 3.75
Kauai: 4.30
Maui: 5.86
Hawaii: 9.10
What is wrong with this picture? We pay the highest taxes in the State and have nothing to show for it. Any government would be better then what we have now. Taxation without proper representation is happening and we have no say. If you are willing for drive 200 miles to a county council meeting and if they defer and defer a decision, then you just keep driving and showing up. It’s like living in Los Angeles and driving to San Diego for a town meeting.
Help us move forward for the future of West Hawaii.
Thank you again for your follow up.
Aloha,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Wednesday, November 09, 2005
Rep. Helene Hale [rephale@capitol.hawaii.gov]
Dear Ms. McGeachy, This is in response to a debate or forum on a West Hawaii County. I represented West Hawaii ( Kau, N & S. Kohala and N. & S. Kona) on the Board of Supervisors from 1954 to 1962.I lived then in South Kona. In 1962 I was elected Chairman and Executive Officer of the County of Hawaii by the whole county, even though I had previously only been elected by 1/3 of the population or West Hawaii. Because the county seat was Hilo, I had to move to Hilo to do this job. This was the forerunner of Mayor because it was a full time job running the County Administration. At that time Hilo had 2/3 of the population and West Hawaii 1/3, but we had three Supervisors from West Hawaii and three from East Hawaii.The Chairman was elected at large. We were governed by the State Legislature and when I first got elected as a Supervisor, we could not even set our real property tax assessments. I have seen real progress over the years to give the counties more home rule, but when we finally got permission from the legislature to establish Couny Charters and changed to the present Mayor-Council system, the representation was based on population. After a couple of changes we finally went to Districts to be sure that people had a chance to be represented by people who live in and understand the needs of their district. I was for that system. With West Hawaii's growth, particularly in the Konas and Kohalas, you now have more representation on the County Council.
I have always been a proponent of home rule and local control and one of my first bills since being elected to the State Legislature in 2000 was to force the legislature to come up with a plan and rules for other local governments, such a villages, townships or municipalities. Our 1978 Constitutional Convention wrote this into our Constitution but up to today the legislature has not established a process by which it could be done. I think you would find more state wide support of a some form of municipal government because Kailua, Hawaii on Oahu has the same concerns as you.
I would be happy to discuss other reasons, but I suggest that you study more of Hawaii's history to understand the difficulties of changing our top down form of government, which has its roots in Hawaii's transformation from a Monarchy to a Republic. Our history is different from other places on the mainland.
_______________ Representative Helene H. Hale State Capitol, Room 331 Honolulu, HI 96813 tel (808) 586-6530 fax (808) 586-6531 from Hilo toll-free 974-4000 ext. 6-6530
I have always been a proponent of home rule and local control and one of my first bills since being elected to the State Legislature in 2000 was to force the legislature to come up with a plan and rules for other local governments, such a villages, townships or municipalities. Our 1978 Constitutional Convention wrote this into our Constitution but up to today the legislature has not established a process by which it could be done. I think you would find more state wide support of a some form of municipal government because Kailua, Hawaii on Oahu has the same concerns as you.
I would be happy to discuss other reasons, but I suggest that you study more of Hawaii's history to understand the difficulties of changing our top down form of government, which has its roots in Hawaii's transformation from a Monarchy to a Republic. Our history is different from other places on the mainland.
_______________ Representative Helene H. Hale State Capitol, Room 331 Honolulu, HI 96813 tel (808) 586-6530 fax (808) 586-6531 from Hilo toll-free 974-4000 ext. 6-6530
Response to Sen. Lorraine R. Inouye [seninouye@Capitol.hawaii.gov]
Aloha Sen. Lorraine R. Inouye,
I would like to address some of your comments.
Infrastructure: Kona’s International Airport daily handles far more international travelers then Hilo does. There are air freights with large amount of cargo daily into Kona International Airport. Kawaihae has a deep water port due to be completed in 2009. This is being paid for privately; it is for the infrastructure for the Super Ferry. Ship to shore fuel will be possible. Kona has the tourist base and the tax base.
Federal and State Grants: A majority of the TAT tax on the Big Island comes from the Kona side. The government can separate by tax payers. If you own property in Hawaii you are a tax payer. West Hawaii has no Administration! and that is exactly what we are fighting for. We are taxation without representation.
I would hope Fire and CivilDefence are present in West Hawaii now! We don’t need to buy a fancy building to have a government. We can use the old airport pavilion if we had to. We should be able to get past that.
Population division: North Kahala including Kau could make up the West Hawaii County. The equation should include the part time residents and the thousands of tourists that fill our roads every day. The population is now driving or moving from Hilo to Kona for the work. The people of Kona used to drive to Hilo to shop, but now the people are driving from Hilo to come to Costco. The island is changing.
The people of West Hawaii are tired of paying the highest taxes in the state and have the least amount of services. Times are changing and more of those part time residents are staying here more permanently.
Please help us to overcome the numbers game and split the County so ALL that pay taxes have any opportunity to have a say. 200 miles to a Council meeting is unacceptable. If you have read our Newspaper daily you will read about people in Hilo making decisions for people in Kona and how it is not working.
Thank you for time and response.
I look forward to a long haul and a new County.
Aloha,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
I would like to address some of your comments.
Infrastructure: Kona’s International Airport daily handles far more international travelers then Hilo does. There are air freights with large amount of cargo daily into Kona International Airport. Kawaihae has a deep water port due to be completed in 2009. This is being paid for privately; it is for the infrastructure for the Super Ferry. Ship to shore fuel will be possible. Kona has the tourist base and the tax base.
Federal and State Grants: A majority of the TAT tax on the Big Island comes from the Kona side. The government can separate by tax payers. If you own property in Hawaii you are a tax payer. West Hawaii has no Administration! and that is exactly what we are fighting for. We are taxation without representation.
I would hope Fire and CivilDefence are present in West Hawaii now! We don’t need to buy a fancy building to have a government. We can use the old airport pavilion if we had to. We should be able to get past that.
Population division: North Kahala including Kau could make up the West Hawaii County. The equation should include the part time residents and the thousands of tourists that fill our roads every day. The population is now driving or moving from Hilo to Kona for the work. The people of Kona used to drive to Hilo to shop, but now the people are driving from Hilo to come to Costco. The island is changing.
The people of West Hawaii are tired of paying the highest taxes in the state and have the least amount of services. Times are changing and more of those part time residents are staying here more permanently.
Please help us to overcome the numbers game and split the County so ALL that pay taxes have any opportunity to have a say. 200 miles to a Council meeting is unacceptable. If you have read our Newspaper daily you will read about people in Hilo making decisions for people in Kona and how it is not working.
Thank you for time and response.
I look forward to a long haul and a new County.
Aloha,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
http://hawaiicountyissues.blogspot.com/
Sen. Lorraine R. Inouye [seninouye@Capitol.hawaii.gov]
Aloha Susan,Thanks for your persistance and asking for input on a proposal to have separate counties on Hawaii Island.Here's my input: I do not support the separation of dividing our county into two parts because of the following reasons: Infrastructure: As you know the biggest port for Cargo is in East Hawaii. Kawaihae is not fully developed as yet to handle similarImports. Most or all the fuel arrives in Hilo and trucks to West side, I.e. to airport,etc. As well as other cargoes. Federal and State Grants: County of Hawaii receives funding some direct, such as the TAT tax to Hawaii County, as well as federal highway, federal grants for other programs such as Health, Hawaiian Programs, University Research, Schools, Agriculture, Astronomy, and the list goes on and on. How is the government going to separate these fundings? West Hawaii has no AdministrationBuildings such as a County building with all of the services as yet. To includeother agencies as Fire and Civil Defence, etc. and other divisions. How is the population or district to be divided: If the line, as an example, to be split to include North Kohala, all of Hamakua,to Kau, It will outway the population from the West side. And Kona's residential population has the highest part-time residents, how will that be considered into the equation. Personally, I believe this measure will not have the votes from the legislature. However, I presently chair the Government Relations committee and Transportation and will consider hearing such proposal if it can get approval from the county level, which I believe will not be successful, I predict. I could be wrong. Until such time as West Hawaii has all the infrastructure in place and the population reaches close to or over a million residences it could perhaps have to municipalities. A forum of such debate could be of interest and please call me if I can be of assistance. Aloha, State Senator Lorraine R. Inouye, Ist district- former Mayor and former county council member-at-large.--------------------------
Rep. Cindy Evans Responds
Aloha Ms. McGeachy,
I have been in contact with Representative Evans and she informs me she has read your email and has some thoughts she'd like to share with you. Who is the lead person you are hoping will organize the public forums? And, with regards to Speaker Say's response to you, perhaps you should consider approaching the west side council members and ask if they would sponsor a resolution.
Thank you for your time and your efforts to see this through. If I can be of any further assistance, please feel free in contacting my office.
Sincerely,
Cindy Evans
State Representative District 7/N. Kona.S. Kohala State Capitol, Room 311 974-4000 ext. 68510 (808) 586-8510 (808) 586-8514 (f) www.repcindyevans.com
I have been in contact with Representative Evans and she informs me she has read your email and has some thoughts she'd like to share with you. Who is the lead person you are hoping will organize the public forums? And, with regards to Speaker Say's response to you, perhaps you should consider approaching the west side council members and ask if they would sponsor a resolution.
Thank you for your time and your efforts to see this through. If I can be of any further assistance, please feel free in contacting my office.
Sincerely,
Cindy Evans
State Representative District 7/N. Kona.S. Kohala State Capitol, Room 311 974-4000 ext. 68510 (808) 586-8510 (808) 586-8514 (f) www.repcindyevans.com
Rep. Ed. Case Responds
November 8, 2005
Dear Ms. McGeachy:
Thanks for the copy of your email suggesting public debate on the possibility of splitting the County of Hawaii into two counties. I will certainly follow the continued discussion of this proposal closely.
With aloha,
ED CASE
United States
Congressman
Hawaii,
Second District
Dear Ms. McGeachy:
Thanks for the copy of your email suggesting public debate on the possibility of splitting the County of Hawaii into two counties. I will certainly follow the continued discussion of this proposal closely.
With aloha,
ED CASE
United States
Congressman
Hawaii,
Second District
Friday, November 04, 2005
Replys for West Hawaii- Bob Herkes
Mrs. McGeachy. I have received your e-mail concerning a "West Hawaii"
county. I lived and worked in Kona for a number of years and represented the district on the Hawaii County Council when we had single member districts. In single member districts you had to reside in the district but ran island-wide. I opposed changing that system to the system that we have today where you vote only for your district candidate. This sounds good in theory but it has drawbacks for West Hawaii. In the old method every County Council candidate had to campaign in West Hawaii even if they were running from Hilo. As West Hawaii has increased its voter base, under the old system, every candidate would have to listen to West Hawaii's concerns. Now if you are from East Hawaii you do not need to listen to West Hawaii. The change was pushed by the West Hawaii republicans who wanted "their own candidate". I was a republican then and argued against the change because I felt it would hurt West Hawaii in the long run, and I was right. As for a West Hawaii County. I need to caution you because you need to consider the downside. You do not get to draw the line, the legislature draws the line.
I fear that we could end up with a North Hawaii County and a South Hawaii County. The North Hawaii County would be from Hilo to South Kohala and the rich tax base. The South Hawaii county would run from Puna to Kona and have the larger land area with all of those problems and a smaller tax base.
Under this scenario the district that I now represent in the State House would have all of the problems with no tax base. Bob Herkes
county. I lived and worked in Kona for a number of years and represented the district on the Hawaii County Council when we had single member districts. In single member districts you had to reside in the district but ran island-wide. I opposed changing that system to the system that we have today where you vote only for your district candidate. This sounds good in theory but it has drawbacks for West Hawaii. In the old method every County Council candidate had to campaign in West Hawaii even if they were running from Hilo. As West Hawaii has increased its voter base, under the old system, every candidate would have to listen to West Hawaii's concerns. Now if you are from East Hawaii you do not need to listen to West Hawaii. The change was pushed by the West Hawaii republicans who wanted "their own candidate". I was a republican then and argued against the change because I felt it would hurt West Hawaii in the long run, and I was right. As for a West Hawaii County. I need to caution you because you need to consider the downside. You do not get to draw the line, the legislature draws the line.
I fear that we could end up with a North Hawaii County and a South Hawaii County. The North Hawaii County would be from Hilo to South Kohala and the rich tax base. The South Hawaii county would run from Puna to Kona and have the larger land area with all of those problems and a smaller tax base.
Under this scenario the district that I now represent in the State House would have all of the problems with no tax base. Bob Herkes
West Hawaii County Request of Rep. Say
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please consider this a formal request for a debate through open and public forums within West Hawaii for the purpose of creating “West Hawaii County”.
Please follow up with dates, times and location for this forum.
Thank you for follow up and consideration. The future of West Hawaii needs to be addressed and this is the first step.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
From: Rep. Calvin Say [mailto:repsay@Capitol.hawaii.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:15 PMTo: mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.comSubject: Re: West Hawaii County
Dear Susan,
Thank you for your recent letter asking to divide the County of Hawaii into two counties, West Hawaii and East Hawaii. The Hawaii Constitution provides that the Legislature may establish counties and political subdivisions within the state. The four county structure has been in place since statehood. The last county to be named with limited powers was Kalawao on Molokai. This type of change must be thoroughly reviewed, its fiscal impact analyzed, and its effect on the residents of the county must be debated through open public forums within the county.
Therefore, I encourage you to voice your concerns to the county officials and ask the council representative of your area to begin the process of review and public discussion. While the Legislature has the authority to enact laws relating to county organizations, it would be premature to proceed on this issue without a request from the county to consider this matter.
Thank you again for opening public debate on this serious and complex matter. I commend you and others who are willing to advocate for what you believe in.
Sincerely,
Calvin K.Y. Say Speaker of the House State of Hawaii
Please consider this a formal request for a debate through open and public forums within West Hawaii for the purpose of creating “West Hawaii County”.
Please follow up with dates, times and location for this forum.
Thank you for follow up and consideration. The future of West Hawaii needs to be addressed and this is the first step.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Susan McGeachy
mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.com
From: Rep. Calvin Say [mailto:repsay@Capitol.hawaii.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:15 PMTo: mcgeachy@hawaii.rr.comSubject: Re: West Hawaii County
Dear Susan,
Thank you for your recent letter asking to divide the County of Hawaii into two counties, West Hawaii and East Hawaii. The Hawaii Constitution provides that the Legislature may establish counties and political subdivisions within the state. The four county structure has been in place since statehood. The last county to be named with limited powers was Kalawao on Molokai. This type of change must be thoroughly reviewed, its fiscal impact analyzed, and its effect on the residents of the county must be debated through open public forums within the county.
Therefore, I encourage you to voice your concerns to the county officials and ask the council representative of your area to begin the process of review and public discussion. While the Legislature has the authority to enact laws relating to county organizations, it would be premature to proceed on this issue without a request from the county to consider this matter.
Thank you again for opening public debate on this serious and complex matter. I commend you and others who are willing to advocate for what you believe in.
Sincerely,
Calvin K.Y. Say Speaker of the House State of Hawaii
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